HEROIC - Baleroc - DEFEATED 06/11/11

[TeaLeaf]

For the benefit of myself, why were you in bear form? I assume it's to make the healers job easier slighty when you're soaking torment from a crystal?

The first is soaked entirely by me (using dispersion for the last 6 stacks), the second crystal is soaked entirely by Grimnar (barkskin/frenzied regen/Survival CDs).  The rationale for this is it enables the healers to build MT healing buff stacks much faster (as the healer buff increases by +1 for every +3 stacks of the debuff on the soaker that they are healing).  This enables much easier tank healing for the remainder of the fight.  

For the third and later crystals, we have two people soaking for each crystal, splitting half the debuffs between them each time and limiting the healing needed on soakers as healers already have sufficient stacks for the MT healing for the remainder of the fight.

[JonnyAppleSeed]

Just for info .... After TL doing the full first crystal im at over 100 stacks thats more than enough to cover the fight to the end. Grim with the second crystal can/should have 2 healers still on him. If we find its still tricky to keep grim up its no masive loss from the healer side to take a slightly shortend soak 15-20. It may help mana too as we are running on mp5 from the point grim takes over

[Slush]

hmmmm...

[Grimnar]

Well he went down today after many good attempts.

For myself i loved the movement area i had. It took me a few tries to really getting the best tactic working for myself.
For only 1 melee it is awesome just having 2 ways to run out to and just go on nuking the boss.

This ment that when no crystal is up that i was way up in the middle so i could escape to each side depending on where the backup was comming from if i got the crystal.
This worked out great for me but also for the others, because i was soaking the crystal in mid the other person(s) hadn't had to walk to far and also had a nice and easy escape route to the back.

We will have to see if we can do it also that easy with 2 melee in the group.

[TeaLeaf]

Yep a great fight and an awesome result for DMR.  

Key to the fight for me was a couple of things:

• DPS performed awesome - we went with one less dps than most raid groups and we still beat the enrage timer by 5 seconds.  Overall DPS levels were between 20.4k - 28.0k DPS which is fantastic given all of the movement and soaking periods we had to handle.
• We managed the soak rotation ONLY by maintaining clear & timely TS communication throughout the fight.  It's critical we maintain this TS communication due to the dynamic nature of the soaking (make sure your mic is working!!).
• Managing to maintain the DPS levels whilst doing all the movement too - my hat is off to the DPS classes, great job!
• Let's not forget Whytee who self-healed his way through the early bit of the fight where we don't heal him (whilst healers build stacks) - we noted that Lay on Hands is now FIXED and works properly again on this fight which is a massive bonus.
• Healers did a super awesome job as they had to maintain their rotation whilst listneing to the TS chat of the soakers.  Excellent job in maintaining focus.

We did adjust slightly what we did:
-TL soaked first crystal
-Grim soaked second crystal but stopped soaking after 21 stacks (someone else soaked after that); all further crystals were shared between 2 soakers (12 or 13 stacks per person)
-we ensured that we pre-potted for the pull, then pushed another pot during the fight (*coughs* logs show some people forgot on the kill, but that's ok as we did it anyway, but most used 2 pots!)


Heroic Beth'tilac is next folks - then we're level in raid progression with the BEST of the 10 man raid guilds on Aszune.

[Azunai]

You got him? Wow that's pretty sweet! :O

I'll be around again tomorrow, ready for some Beth'whooping ;-)

[hubbah]

Yarrrr.. and we got the ryoloth or whatever that big *****'s name is on heroic as well.. 3rd try ofcourse it was a good night!

[Azunai]

I should stay away more often - it's good for business it seems ;-)

[sheepy]

not just you staying away dude, I wasnt there due to MASSIVE hangover from my birthday

[Slush]

Noreia and Sheepy.
Your dps sux. Get up on 22k+ steady on this boss, please?
You are consistently (4 times on sunday, 4 times yesterday) wiping us as we are hitting enrage.. and your low dps(17k-20k) is causing this.

This is how it looked the one time this boss went down:
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c3w0p12rkbudi0ox/sum/damageDone/?s=9340&e=9696

Only grimnar is allowed to get close to 20k because of his bear-form-soaking during Heroism

[Grimnar]

I don't know about yesterday as i can't see the logs from yesterday yet.

I tried something else a few tries yesterday to still have a little dps boost then i had with the kill.
But at the moment i can't check if it worked.


Also a thing for the melee camp when we are there with 2 of us.

We have to do our movement way better then we did yesterday also the calls should be done way better.
We had way to many times the crystal way to far to the left of the boss.

If 2 melee are in the group they have to make sure that they are as much as possible in the middle (behind the boss).
Each has an escape route one to the left and the other to the right of the boss. Also make sure when a crystal is gone that you jump back to the middle spot (make sure if debuffed that you stay far enough away from other people) This makes sure that if the crystal spawns that it is easy to reach for everyone and we still have our escape routes. Also stand on the side of the crystal where you can reach your save spot when debuffed.

For example: I am on the right side of the boss that means i stand in the middle and as soon as the crystal spawns at me i step to the right side of it so i can run to the right and the other person can stand at the left of the crystal or middle with an easy escape to the ranged debuff zone.  It makes movement very easy and a lower change that you debuff someone else on route...

[Twyst]

Would Noreia be outside of melee range through movement?

[hubbah]

Nope, never.

edit:

Let me type abit more then the 2 words.
I think most try's were abit messy due to alot of mistakes that were made, ill post a few examples.

1. People saying i cant take the chrystal.. running out ( someone else runs in ) and then run in again saying nothing leaving the 3 people with a debuff.
2. people running into a group of people with the debuff and by doing so debuffing a dps or 2 and a healer.
3. not popping heroism for 20 sec so people are losing the cooldowns.
4. people running out to sides there not supposed to be and ofcourse.. crystal's spawn there.

etc etc.
All with all the low dps can be explained ( reason why TL wasnt on 28 and others were not on 22 - 26 ).

[hubbah]

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/u9lq8zxtzd06e5j8/sum/damageDone/?s=2523&e=2905

and this is the log from the 1.9m wipe

[TeaLeaf]

On the first kill we had all DPS above 20k and we pulled 167k rdps.
Best enrage attempt last night hit 151k rdps.

Attempt| rDPS|DPS range|Shortfall
First Kill|167k|20 - 27.9k|-
Try 1|133k|17 - 24.6k|-34k
Try 2|127k|17 - 23.6k|-40k
Try 3|138k|15.9 - 27.1k|-29k
Try 4|141k|16.9 - 23.2k|-26k
Try 5|151k|17.1 - 26.2k|-16k
Try 6|147k|19.4 - 27.6k|-20k
Try 7|155k|16.7 - 28.6k|-12k
Try 8|147k|18.6 - 27.4k|-20k
Try 9|147k|17.9 - 26.0k|-20kWe hit enrage again several times last night, so in my book we just need higher dps.  
When we got the first kill we had all bar 1 dps at 23.8k dps or higher which we are struggling to achieve at the moment.

We need everyone to look at their dps rotations, their gear, gemming, enchants, pots and work out where to squeeze more dps out of the fight please, particularly those at the lower end of the dps range.

Let's also examine the logs to see what buffs we were missing (if any) when we compare the first kill to the wipes of last night.