F1 2012 Season

Snokio · November 25, 2012, 06:27:07 PM

Great end to a season, 3 great races! Fond memories!

Sparko · November 25, 2012, 08:02:55 PM

yeah was an interesting last race, still a bit curious as to why Vettel never got penalised for the overtaking under a yellow flag though.....maybe they thought 'well he is going to pass him at some point anyway'

Snokio · November 25, 2012, 09:18:02 PM

It was a red and yellow flag 'apparently' (slippery / oil etc), looked yellow on the TV, plus Kob went straight into the pits so wouldn't of been able to of yielded the place back, Shame Alonso didn't get the drivers championship

Sparko · November 26, 2012, 12:04:42 AM

Hmmm interesting, that's probably a logical explanation, it definatly looked yellow to me though lol

Yeah I was routing for Alonso thought he had it after turn 4 and was hoping vettals car would give up but fair play to him he drove a good race, ( even if he couldn't talk to the pit wall, although there was no problem with his Mic when race was finished)

All in all a good season, I'm a big fan of F1 but I don't tend to express my opinion very much on here due to me always being wrong lol

Here's to next season which will be quite interesting

TheDvEight · November 26, 2012, 06:27:51 PM

It's a shame to see schuyyy retire.

T-Bag · November 27, 2012, 12:44:51 AM

It should have been Hamilton's season. To see him plagued with problems at the races his car was strongest was painful, having said that, this race Alonso was essentially robbed. The final race summed up the season that came before it.

1)Hamilton Dominant but taken out through no fault of his own
2)Alonso driving the arse off a poor car, getting the best possible result he could get
3)Vettel being extremely lucky

1) This has happened quite a few times, by my count he would have easily been in with a should had 3 or more of those retirements from an almost guaranteed race win not happened, that's without taking into account unlucky pitstops etc.

2) Alonso truly deserved the championship yet again. You only have to give him modest finish at Spa to have him take it instead, and clearly that was not his fault.

3) Vettel was incredibly lucky this race. He made an awful start, got caught up in a jam and crashed into (very similar to collisions that have burst mclaren radiators on a few occasions) yet somehow he stays in, gets gifted positions by safety cars (again) and the sister team (again) and Schumacher couldn't have taken a much wider line to let him past. I know those two points didn't decide it, but he does get incredibly lucky and benefits from interteam orders (which do bug me).

I understand team orders happen, and I'm fine with that, what happened with Massa in Texas is a bold piece of strategy which brought the season to life. But if they'd asked a driver from another team to take the penalty it would have ruined things for me. Same when the Toro Roso team drive hugely out of their way when they are technically racing for position...Oh well, looking forward to next year now.

RizZy · November 27, 2012, 08:25:43 AM

I'm not a big fan of Ferrari or Alonso but hopefully they can get him a car that gives him some chance from the start of the season next time round.

TeaLeaf · November 27, 2012, 09:57:12 AM

Quote from: T-Bag;362188The final race summed up the season that came before it.

1)Hamilton Dominant but taken out through no fault of his own
2)Alonso driving the arse off a poor car, getting the best possible result he could get
3)Vettel being extremely lucky

Yep, that is a remarkably accurate summary of the season.

Alonso drove the Ferrari far faster than it deserved to go through design. Despite personal dislike of him, I would have prefrerred he won the Championship.

Vettel? Just how lucky can a chap be? Not just in this race but in several others during the year as well.

Hamilton, defintely would have been battling for the Championship had he not had several disastrous pit stops, mechanical failures, fuelling problems and then being punted off the track several times by the go-kart club members.

A fun year though and possibly the most action-packed Interlagos race I can recall.

Snokio · November 27, 2012, 11:22:33 PM

I know where I'm going!

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Blunt · November 29, 2012, 01:00:55 AM

Quote from: Sparko;362124yeah was an interesting last race, still a bit curious as to why Vettel never got penalised for the overtaking under a yellow flag though.....maybe they thought 'well he is going to pass him at some point anyway'

Quote from: Sparko;362135Hmmm interesting, that's probably a logical explanation, it definatly looked yellow to me though lol

Yeah I was routing for Alonso thought he had it after turn 4 and was hoping vettals car would give up but fair play to him he drove a good race, ( even if he couldn't talk to the pit wall, although there was no problem with his Mic when race was finished)

All in all a good season, I'm a big fan of F1 but I don't tend to express my opinion very much on here due to me always being wrong lol

Here's to next season which will be quite interesting

Looks like Sparko may've not been alone in thinking that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

smilodon · November 29, 2012, 01:53:27 AM

While I'm no fan of Vettel I think it would be a terrible thing if he lost the world championship based on the few yards of track between him and the green light when he made the overtaking manoeuvre. If Alonso becomes world champion based on a move that had absolutely no bearing on the final result it will be a very hollow victory and one I don't imagine he could feel very proud of.

sulky_uk · November 29, 2012, 07:37:24 AM

lifted straight from the f1 rule book

Yellow flag
Indicates danger, such as a stranded car, ahead. A single waved yellow flag warns drivers to slow down, while two waved yellow flags at the same post means that drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary. Overtaking is prohibited.

Green flag
All clear. The driver has passed the potential danger point and prohibitions imposed by yellow flags have been lifted.

But as in vettels case he was passed the yellow but before the green, so i think alonso has a case. But i may add i dont like ferrari or alonso but rules is rules . Its like the safety car line there is a green flag there but you can overtake until you pass it. Would be very harsh though to rob him of this as he was gonna pass the guy in front anyhow,

JonnyAppleSeed · November 29, 2012, 08:37:06 AM

Looking at the vid Seb is overtaking under a yellow flag. Interesting to see what the FIA decide as they should have acted on it then.

TeaLeaf · November 29, 2012, 08:41:00 AM

Quote from: Blunt;362307Looks like Sparko may've not been alone in thinking that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

Aye this is different footage though. The one we saw on the TV broadcast was going up the hill towards the start/finish line, but this is an overtake from the beginning of the race which was not broadcast (certainly not via Sky) as they were showing replays of the start at the time.

The rules of F1 seem to be fairly clear, you do not overtake until you pass the first Green flag, in which case Vettel erred. We've seen lots of other drivers penalised on strict following of the rules and this does seem to be clear cut.

The only question I have in my mind is when does an overtake complete? Is it when you returned to the racing line (which was after the green flag) or is it at the point you get ahead of the other car on the track (which was distinctly before the green flag).

An interesting one to watch and to my mind, it will be a much fairer outcome (if a little harsh on Vettel) if the rules are applied and Alonso subsequently wins the Championship on an Appeal.

Bernie's in an awkward position, he loves both Vettel and Ferrari. What *will* he do?

T-Bag · November 29, 2012, 11:16:50 AM

Quote from: TeaLeaf;362316An interesting one to watch and to my mind, it will be a much fairer outcome (if a little harsh on Vettel) if the rules are applied and Alonso subsequently wins the Championship on an Appeal.

Bernie's in an awkward position, he loves both Vettel and Ferrari. What *will* he do?

Whenever there is an element of doubt Vettel gets away with it. With inter-team orders in the previous race I don't feel Vettel deserved to be world champion this time round. That should be the thing that is focused on. Yes he overtook under a yellow flag, but it was a Toro Roso so he'd have been let through on the corner anyway. Shouldn't that be more contentious than overtaking?

Team orders I'm ok with. There's strategy there, just like with the days of refuelling where they'd put drivers on different fuel loads to maximise the TEAMs chances, what I don't like is if you own two teams your chances of your driver being world champion shoot up. Imagine if Sauber started letting Alonso through mid season. I'm sure there would be quite a bit of fuss.