Mogu'shan Vaults - Elegon - DEFEATED 01/11/12

[Mellisanda]

I had the same problem as sith is having with the pillars not showing up till 10 seconds later when i was Raiding on Yaril's laptop a while ago.
This was due to the graphics setting were set on low ( i did that due to lag issues ) when i put these up to high i dident have problems anymore ( but lag ofcourse )

Oh yeah, blame my poor laptop

Following suggestions here, I seemed to be fairly OK on the orbs this time around, other than the 3rd one.. Which was downed quick enough with Sharp's help (Thanks!!)  I think if we're proccing Hero for one of these phases, we should have no problems with getting through 4 sets of orbs, although that's not necessarily ideal..

Re the Celestial Protector - I've been told to increase damage on this, but there's only so much I can do because it's almost dead by the time my dots are all up.  I've been throwing them on it when it's about 50%, rather than 25% instead, but I'm not sure if that's ideal either?

[Sithvid]

@ hermi

you try to do more dps  :ranting2: ..... no seriously .. I did my best but unfortunately right now my dps is between 50 and 60K .. very procs depending ( I know that what I am about to say will **** Switch ... but be below 3 ilvl means having at least 3 pieces 476 against many 483/489, dunno if it costs 20k less dps but I assure you that I did my best ).... but seriously you think frost would be better?? :help2:

I have an Ilvl of 473
@ Hubbah
Yeah thanks for the tips I will use them next try

[hubbah]

@Mellisanda

Im sowwy

@ Hermi & Sithy

2 / 3 / 5 or even 10 ilvl's wont make a 20k difference.
Mages even with the nerf are the best dps class at the moment & hunters with the buff are starting to be pretty competative again for the first time this expension, i feel like less of deadweight now :narnar:

[Pendice]

Hey guys all i can suggest is if your struggling then don't be too proud to ask your class leader for help or advice it is always freely given if i can improve then i try to , if you don't use class specific add-ons try them ! spell flash is really helpful i know there is an in game one but this can be configured to remind you to re-apply dots etc useful when all hell is breaking loose ! if you find reforging all your junk a hassle (i know i do) reforge light is great for this we have a plethora of crafters and i'm sure they wont mind making enchants gems etc if you are in need of the best ones (i just mooch all mine of my boyfriend teehee) . The thing is i know we can kill Elegon then will should be a piece of cake =D (hopefully)

[Michelanio]

last night when RGT was clearing vaults I was running a livestream and a link to the vod can be found here if you want to have a look. It's not he best quality or view since its from a tank but perhaps you might find some bits useful

[Switchback]

Ilvl isn't on pieces it's overall gear.

I still have blue gear. Christ that's the problem you actually think that 3 ilvls means 3 better bits of gear then we are in serious trouble.

It's an average of all your gear equipped .
As hub says 3 ilvls is nothing if you actually know how it works. So a 20 k difference is unacceptable .

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[hermioneg]

Christ that's the problem you actually think that 3 ilvls means 3 better bits of gear then we are in serious trouble.....

 .....So a 20 k difference is unacceptable .

lol Switch ... I knew you'd be angry ....

[TeaLeaf]

Doing my usual breakfast log browsing: I see one good 9 min Elegon attempt in the logs, but am I reading only 2 waves of Energy Charges killed on the first P2 (3rd wave one got through to the pillars) and 3 killed on the second P2?  (for a total of 7 stacks)

[Mariotet]

Yea it was the last attempt of the night and yes we did only 2 sparks on first p2 but we decided to continue just to train on the transition and we got it working and we are getting better on it

[Sharpfang]

weve gone away from the "drag us all in" tactic, not doing it seemed to work better for us.

[Switchback]

Aye we are slowly making progress on this....
We are getting better on the orbs, still room for improvement but we are actually getting more than 1 set down /cheer.
I think for us, not being dragged in and running to the other side is good. I struggle with movement at the best of times and others do. So for now we can keep it at that.
Really want to push this on Monday, so lets all grind, lfr heroics etc get som gear upgrades and upgrade our gear also, every lil helps.
I'm gona try and do a hc farm day on the weekend for jp points so the more the merrier.


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[Sithvid]

This dude dies tonight


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[Sithvid]

As requested any thoughts on this fight that may help. Would more damage be done on boss if a ranged stayed on elegon and 1 of the tanks  took the first 2 orbs? Where possible/unless unavoidable keep people on their primary spec  and not ask them to try a fight in offspec save position changes etc


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[TeaLeaf]

You can have tanks take a single orb, but then you end up with no tank for adds on one side.   Not sure if that would be an issue so long as people can run away (and pillars are down).  However ranged should already be maintaining at least DOTs on Elegon even during the Orb phase.   There should be no break in casting, as soon as an orb is down you're straight back on the boss maintaining as much of your rotation as possible throughout.

You'll also gain dps by hitting Elegon as soon as it becomes targetable again after each add phase:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-epioxxal49ywb3r0/analyze/dd/source/?s=5504&e=6053&target=1
Click on Tanales and then select any other player for comparison.   You'll notice Tanales gets onto the boss a lot sooner than anyone else, by as much as 15-20 seconds on the first add phase.   That's a chunk of buffed dps being missed if ALL the dps also hit Elegon at that point.  Yes you're on adds, but at least DOT the boss too.

Make sure all your gear is enchanted/gemmed.  
Amber - missing 2 enchants (gloves & back) and a buckle/gem from your belt
Hermioneg - missing 2 enchants: hands you got last December and the ring you got last night (but that could have enchanted immediately as you're an enchanter)
Odds - missing 2 enchants (back & weapon) & a tinker (am aware new toon, but you still enchant blue stuff when you're raiding)

Pre-potting
Looking at that same try only (not looked at every try, so apologies if this is the one try where you forgot!), not everybody pre-pots & uses a 2nd pot during the fight:
Hermioneg (none used)
Amber (1 used)
Switch (1 used)

Try to synchronise pot use when best advantage can be gained - ie use them under heroism.   Quite a few pots were used at a different time, so losing some of the benefit.


Every little helps and it all adds up.  Hope this helps.

[Slush]

I saw a "wipe on enrage" comment in guild chat yesterday and I had to check this out:

Damage from radiating energies (soft enrage) on your best try yesterday (Try 4):
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-epioxxal49ywb3r0/spell/122741/?source=1&s=2756&e=3317

Compared with the same information from RGT's raid 1st Nov 2012 (first kill):
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-g7zwzra4l6ty50v8/spell/122741/?s=10688&e=11263

As you can see, your fight lasted 14 seconds shorter than the RGT fight and you took less damage from Radiating Energies. This means you didnt hit enrage nor soft enrage. You now need to work on how to survive. It is important in phase 3 that you do not rely on healers to keep you up. All classes have damage reduction talents. Use them in this phase. The more passive, the better (as we dont want lower dps).

And what TL said... You had 70k less raid dps than RGT had on first kill, you also had 30k less raid hps. If both these numbers move a little in the correct directions -> its a clean kill... After all; You did survive through all his mechanics!