Last Night

Tutonic · December 29, 2014, 11:37:43 PM

When I used to play on the Folk ARPS server, they used to enforce load-outs - and they were commonly iron-sights or a red-dot sight only.

I'll tell you one thing - you really learn to rely on teamwork over firepower in that situation. I would be more than happy to see something similar on our server.

Penfold · December 30, 2014, 01:01:14 AM

Perhaps you missed my cunning pale text in my message...... highlight away.

No, I'd love to continue playing of course but it's just that I find it SO annoying that it ruins the fun for me.

Anyway, onward and upward eh.

Smilo... I'm not sure how we can lose Sulky in reality although it's tempting. It would also, probably, mean we lose Paddy and John (?) as well. Perhaps we do toughen up I don't know but all I know is that I'm not going to continue as it is.

albert · December 30, 2014, 06:08:59 AM

I would send a general message out to inform everyone that certain individuals will be getting approached to have a word about their team play. Then take both of them aside on TS separately and be clear about their crimes and that there have been complaints and the consequences. Suggest a first warning formally, get a second and its a ban for 2 weeks a third its outright. In the end it's the few ruining the fun for the majority.

smilodon · December 30, 2014, 08:23:41 AM

For me I find some people are better team players than others but it's only a couple, no make that one, player who has a serious impact on the whole session. Banning isn't an issue in my opinion. WOW leaders have done it before. We explain that players who don't follow the rules will be asked not to play on our server, watch and when the inevitable happens ban him. We really don't have to have our enjoyment ruined by one or two players. As I said, if it's a choice I'll go with a healthy vibrant Arma community rather than tolerate the intolerable. It's crunch time. I'm happy to pen a general final warning to post up.

BrotherTobious · December 30, 2014, 01:20:19 PM

Guys thanks for your input lots of good ideas I will have a think and prepare a plan of action.

I am so greatful for all the support guys I appreciate it.

Sent from my Nexus 5

Penfold · December 30, 2014, 03:00:05 PM

Thanks Toby.

Obviously whatever you decide is fine by us and will be supported by The Council.

Please don't think my message is an attempt to force your hand, it wasn't. I'm willing to step away from this game regularly as I deemed it as the easiest solution and play and and when it's quieter or I muster the patience

Benny · December 30, 2014, 08:43:11 PM

You need to be really blunt with the offenders (says the scarlet pimpernell). Either shape up or come back on a less organised night. The best games I ever had on there (and believe it or not I may come back for a few, but am guilty of looking at the player list first) have been with the old reg's who have played it right from day 1. The joy of building the maps was to predict where the lone cowboy bellends would go and making sure they wound up dead...add to that taking slightly too long to revive them and reviving favourites first.

With 10 plus you're ****ing in the wind, unless you have two objectives and a map tough enough to wipe out any non-conformers, then its teamspeak and channels with Squad leaders on a common channel. That is of course assuming nothing too much has changed.

Woah, it's bright out here, I'll get back in the shadows.

Penfold · January 04, 2015, 09:20:31 PM

Any better tonight?

smilodon · January 04, 2015, 10:14:32 PM

IMHO yes it was. The map was a little harder so I think everyone was very aware of the importance of getting people up a little more. Some of us seemed to be making more of a deal about healing as in Toby and Ben were clearly calling out for players to heal others by name and we were announcing who we were healing more clearly.

I'm coming to the conclusion that sometimes it's just that certain players are simply really bad at playing PC games. They have little sense of self preservation or a basic awareness of where they are in relation to other team members or enemy AI. I'm not sure how much we can criticise them for just being terrible at Arma rather than it being down to them selfishly playing their own game? Others though are less innocent I think.

On that point apologies for my own play earlier tonight. I was suffering from the dreaded Desync 100,000 nonsense, courtesy of Virgin Media. The result is everyone freezes on my screen or runs on the spot. I think I am still moving from other players perspective so I probably ran right past a few players who I couldn't see. Apologies for that.

But all in all a better night.

Blunt · January 04, 2015, 11:39:33 PM

Sorry to butt in, but

QuoteI'm coming to the conclusion that sometimes it's just that certain players are simply really bad at playing PC games. They have little sense of self preservation or a basic awareness of where they are in relation to other team members or enemy

The two main culprits that you have been mentioning have tried and failed at CS too, so I tend to agree with Smilo that they are just crap at playing PC games.
One doesn't have a clue what do do,where he is, what is happening,or why/how he has been shot, and the other just buys a big gun and runs around shooting nothing in particular, no matter what plan has been called in comms.

I try to be on the opposite team to the extent of waiting till they've picked a side, then picking the opposite, partly to avoid the constant inane babble that spews forth, and partly to just avoid.

It's one reason that I don't play Arma anymore, he just gets on my tits.

BrotherTobious · January 05, 2015, 10:21:45 PM

Thank you everyone for your input, I can see there is definitely some frustration, but I think that Benny and Smilo latest post is what is the main issue. And we can only do so much being helpful and reminding people how to play which we have been doing. I will be keeping a eye on the situation and correcting as much as we can. I dont think that we can ban people for not being good, we can try and help and we can always ask people to be quieter and with more force.

It does sadden me that some of you feel you dont want to play because of this and I hope in time you might try again with a bit of time things will improve. Please have little patients so I can have a better crack at this.

I am sticking a pin in this thread to see how the next few weeks go and have a regroup after that.

I am really grateful for all your help and input.

albert · January 06, 2015, 12:30:28 PM

Just one thought I've experienced since playing Elite the last few months. There are 3 types of players: 1) OCD - read everything, learn it all, love it, come on the game and know how to play, 2) Learn the essentials and come along and ask a few questions but generally are self sufficient and 3) Make no effort whatsoever to read a darn thing and come on the server and ask 100s of repetitive questions about every darn thing in the game rather than Google it.

It's fine saying some people are not good at certain games, but some of the time they make no effort to be good at the games through lack of knowledge or background prep.
I feel our friends who are making ARMA hard to tolerate are also doing a similar thing in Elite. I do and will continue to repeat the infamous RTFM comment to those who don't try.

Penfold · January 06, 2015, 01:37:57 PM

I'm definitely a 2 possibly bordering on a 3 on occasion - sorry

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Yes Toby, I will of course come back and give it another go. Having had a week off I feel slightly calmer but the basic frustration is still there and will, I suspect, remain.

If we all keep on about it then it may get through although I'll be biting my tongue to just not tell them straight.

Tutonic · January 06, 2015, 02:11:20 PM

I suppose I should probably give it another chance. I've just downloaded the latest version of the awesome JSRS sound mod, looking forward to taking it for a spin

I would again suggest taking a serious looking at having fixed loadout options for players. It might actually help some our, errr.... more challenging players fit into a defined role.

smilodon · January 06, 2015, 03:43:43 PM

And as if by magic..... I have three maps up at the moment with a couple of others in the pipeline. All now use preset load outs that are geared to the map and the tasks. So no thermal sights, no machine guns, no AWP like sniper rifles, no long range scopes, no swarms of helicopters, tanks, etc to roll round the map in. Basically it's a 7.62mm rifle, standard infantry scopes, ammo, a few Titans and rockets, smoke and first aid kits. I know it's really annoying Sulky that he can't run out with a sniper rifle or HMG and Sneaky probably cries every time he leaps into a Tank only to find it's bingo fuel and ammo :devil:

There's a lot of different maps out there that are great fun that have tanks and chopper etc. But for balance mine are infantry maps and while they are quite rough round the edges they are hopefully very hard and unforgiving and punish solo frag hunters severely. Maybe come and give them a go. I think TwoBad is planning a limited load out mission as well.

Also there's nothing wrong with being crap. I've excelled at being crap in Counter Strike for years! This is more about being really clueless. I'm with Penfold in my ability or lack thereof to grasp the finer intricacies of some games but I think we can both follow simple orders, run in the same direction as everyone else, tell our left from our right, point a gun and fire it..... simple stuff like that (but maybe not to apply the brakes in a timely manner :norty: )