Community Structure

[Anonymous]

Another thought:

If an Admin acts as proposer or seconder should he abstain from the vote? I think he should.

[TeaLeaf]

BlueBall - any chance of posting it as text into the forums please?  It's easier to make on the fly amendments and to cut and paste when we are finally ready to issue it.

TL.

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Jan 2 2005, 11:54 AM
..and were we going to introduce a "three strikes and your out" rule?

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I do not think we need to add all the administrative rules we use to the membership criteria.  Where we decline someone perhaps we should include a 'we usually only accept 3 apps' comment, but then we would always retain an element of discretion anyway.  For that reason it is probably better left unsaid.

TL.

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Jan 2 2005, 11:52 AM
I'd like to see a change so that the application is made by the proposer on behalf of the applicant stating the two seconders. This should eliminate any erroneous applications as well as defining the roles of proposer and seconder.

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This depends on how you see the system being implemented.

The nice thing about the propspective new member sending a PM to us is that it does show us that they can write (sometimes) and this can sometimes be quite informative.  In the case of members writing to us saying 'can I apply for Charlie' and here are the names of my proposer and seconder then I woudl envisage us then sending a PM to the propser and seconder with a short series of questions asking for info and reasons.  With these replies we then have 4 pieces of written info in addition to our own personal experience upon which to base our judgement.  This system also keeps it in the hands of the prospective member as to when to send the PM.

If the proposer PMs the request then we lose the first bit of info (from the propsective member) and I would still envisage the follow up PMs to the proposer and seconders would be needed.

Does that make sense?

TL.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by TeaLeaf@Jan 2 2005, 05:48 PM
I do not think we need to add all the administrative rules we use to the membership criteria. Where we decline someone perhaps we should include a 'we usually only accept 3 apps' comment, but then we would always retain an element of discretion anyway. For that reason it is probably better left unsaid.

TL.

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Flexibility is good

[Anonymous]

Charlie Company Guidelines for Proposing or Seconding Community Applications

Under the new Community Structure members of Charlie Company will have the opportunity to either propose or second applications from players to be members of either Bravo or Charlie Company. In order to help you with your responsible approach to this procedure we have produced this document. Please take the time to read it.

Firstly (just to save you finding the relevant post in the forums) a quick refresh of what has been stated as being the criteria for membership:

Dead Men Walking - Bravo Company

Alpha Company members who have demonstrated a mature and positive approach to the community (on both the game servers and in the forums) and have been trying to increase their involvement with both the community and TCS style of play can apply for Bravo Company membership. If accepted, Bravo Company membership entitles you to use the -=[dMw]=- tag in your player name, wherever you chose to play. This in turn helps us promote the TCS style of play and further our cause! Dead Men Walking accepts that Bravo Company members are allowed to be members of other clans as well, but we ask that in such cases you only wear your -=[dMw]=- tag when playing on a TCS server. Bravo Company members have access to the private Bravo Company Secure Channel area of the forums, advance booking notice for our LAN parties and can apply for Charlie Company membership if they meet the appropriate criteria.

Dead Men Walking - Charlie Company

Charlie Company members are committed to the continuing success of both the dMw community and its TCS style of play. Charlie Company members have demonstrated a mature and positive approach to the community and as such are valued by their quality as teamplayers and community members rather than by measuring their personal stats from the game servers. We expect a mature and exemplary standard of behaviour from Charlie Company members at all times and in all places. Members of Charlie Company are usually active contributors of quality content to the forums, regulars on our gaming servers and champions of the TCS style of play. Charlie Company members are also eligible to represent dMw in competitive matchplay, however the wish to compete in league, cup or other matches is not a requirement for Charlie Company membership. Charlie Company members have access to the Charlie Company Secure Channel area of the forums and the dMw private training, tactics and matchplay areas of the forums.

You will notice that in both cases we seek players who have a “mature and positive” approach to the community and this should be your first and main point of consideration. Bravo and Charlie members are entitled to wear -=[dMw]=- wings and you should bear in mind that their actions WILL reflect on the community as a whole. If you have any doubts about a person’s standard of behaviour either on our own or other servers and forums (12K, BoD etc) then that person is not ready to be a member of our community and should not be proposed or seconded.

Additionally, Bravo Company members may well be members of other clans so getting people to join Bravo should not be looked on as a recruiting opportunity; players who see the advantage of TCS will want to become Charlie members through a natural progression and may, in some cases, possibly leave their clan to become a Charlie Company Member. However, this should not be viewed as the aim of the exercise.

Neither Bravo nor Charlie Companies offer training (as such) in how to be a good Bravo or Charlie. Therefore, do not propose or second someone that you think has the potential to be a good Bravo or Charlie. They should already being doing ALL the things that is expected of a member and that is the reason that they will be proposed for membership! Only propose/second people who are already acting the right manner.

We join together on the TCS servers to spend quality time with people we like being around. Our time is valuable and none of us would want to spend it with anything other than friends. With that in mind, when considering somebody for membership, remember to ask yourself:

Would I want to spend a Friday evening on Meathook with this person in my team?
Is he a great shot but just out for a good score or will he back me up to help achieve the objective?
Would he try to help me if I had a problem?
Will he contribute to the TCS Community?

Finally, if you are approached by somebody asking for a nomination then for the benefit of the community you must be honest.

If you do not know him well enough then say so and politely decline
If you think he is not quite ready then you might wish to say that you haven’t seen enough of him on either the servers or the forum to be confident in nominating him.
If he really isn’t ready then you are left in a difficult position. We would suggest asking them if they felt they were ready and how they feel they can contribute to the community. People are frequently surprisingly honest when asked a direct question. If he feels he is ready and you feel he is not but you do not feel comfortable dealing with the situation then please get in touch with one of the Admins and we will deal with it.

The most important thing is to leave the person with his dignity if you feel that you have to decline.

Let’s move on to the positive side of things. If you definitely think that the person is ready then you, as the proposer, need to ensure that he has found two other people who also consider him suitable for membership. You should speak to these people to ensure that they have the right understanding of what is involved and you are happy that they are acting as seconders for the right reasons. As proposer you should then let the Admins know (TL or OB) that this person will be making an application and also pass on the names of the 2 seconders confirming that you have spoken to them (sending PMs to seconders is the best way to get in touch).

In the interests of equality any references in this document to he/his/him/guy equally implies she/hers/her/gal  

[OldBloke]

Originally posted by TeaLeaf@Jan 2 2005, 05:52 PM
This depends on how you see the system being implemented.

The nice thing about the propspective new member sending a PM to us is that it does show us that they can write (sometimes) and this can sometimes be quite informative. In the case of members writing to us saying 'can I apply for Charlie' and here are the names of my proposer and seconder then I woudl envisage us then sending a PM to the propser and seconder with a short series of questions asking for info and reasons. With these replies we then have 4 pieces of written info in addition to our own personal experience upon which to base our judgement. This system also keeps it in the hands of the prospective member as to when to send the PM.

If the proposer PMs the request then we lose the first bit of info (from the propsective member) and I would still envisage the follow up PMs to the proposer and seconders would be needed.

Does that make sense?

TL.

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It makes sense but it puts more work on us (double-handling of each application).
Using my idea the proposer/seconders will use a pro forma so that all the information we as admins need to make a decision will be there in front of us. The only thing missing is the original application but again we could insist on a 'why I want to join xxx company' section that would be forwarded as part of an application pack.

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Jan 2 2005, 06:01 PM
It makes sense but it puts more work on us (double-handling of each application).
Using my idea the proposer/seconders will use a pro forma so that all the information we as admins need to make a decision will be there in front of us. The only thing missing is the original application but again we could insist on a 'why I want to join xxx company' section that would be forwarded as part of an application pack.

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Agreed.

TL.

[smilodon]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Jan 2 2005, 03:04 PM

QUOTE(smilodon @ Jan 2 2005, 02:28 PM)
Gets my vote. thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

Are there any thoughts about criteria for remaining a Charlie? It would be simple to let dormant members just sit on the Charlie list, but then it might be argued that this would undermine the 'commited to the dMw and TCS' ethos if we allow people who are no longer remotely involved in the community to remain Charlie Squad members?

Just a thought

Shadow Squad I guess

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I was refering the "Members of Charlie Company are usually active contributors of quality content to the forums, regulars on our gaming servers and champions of the TCS style of play." bit,  rather than the match playing bit. I haven't seen some Charlies for months and months. Do they just sit there as life long members?

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Jan 2 2005, 06:01 PM
It makes sense but it puts more work on us (double-handling of each application).
Using my idea the proposer/seconders will use a pro forma so that all the information we as admins need to make a decision will be there in front of us. The only thing missing is the original application but again we could insist on a 'why I want to join xxx company' section that would be forwarded as part of an application pack.

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See my earlier post as to one possible reason why we SHOULD get the prospective member to apply rather than the proposer. As long as there is a section in the app pack where the guy says "I wanna join" then that probably covers us

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by smilodon@Jan 2 2005, 06:03 PM
I was refering the "Members of Charlie Company are usually active contributors of quality content to the forums, regulars on our gaming servers and champions of the TCS style of play." bit, rather than the match playing bit. I haven't seen some Charlies for months and months. Do they just sit there as life long members?

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Aaaah, my misunderstanding, sorry.

I suppose the question we need to ask is:

"Do we need to do anything?" Maybe just let sleeping dogs lie - we do see people back from time to time and it's as nice for us as it probably is for them -  like a reunion almost

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Jan 2 2005, 06:07 PM
Aaaah, my misunderstanding, sorry.

I suppose the question we need to ask is:

"Do we need to do anything?" Maybe just let sleeping dogs lie - we do see people back from time to time and it's as nice for us as it probably is for them - like a reunion almost

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My view too.  Shadow should cover it.  If it ain't broke etc.....

TL.

[smilodon]

pukka  

[TeaLeaf]

An amended version to allow the proposal and seconding of a prospective member.

TL.

Dead Men Walking

The 'Dead Men Walking' clan aims to provide a home, a community, for players who revel in Tactical Counter-Strike - TCS - and its team-based approach.  The Dead Men Walking clan offers a multi-tiered approach to membership to match the varying needs of the individual players that make up the Dead Men Walking community.

Dead Men Walking - Alpha Company

Anyone who has successfully applied for access to our forums and servers is automatically a member of the community's Alpha Company. Alpha Company membership gives you access to the Dead Men Walking TCS servers, the Dead Men Walking TCS area of the forums along with the opportunity to join us at our LAN parties. Alpha Company members may also apply for Bravo Company membership.

Dead Men Walking - Bravo Company

Alpha Company members who have demonstrated a mature and positive approach to the community (on both the game servers and in the forums) and have been trying to increase their involvement with both the community and TCS style of play can apply for Bravo Company membership. If accepted, Bravo Company membership entitles you to use the -=[dMw]=- tag in your player name, wherever you chose to play. This in turn helps us promote the TCS style of play and further our cause! Dead Men Walking accepts that Bravo Company members are allowed to be members of other clans as well, but we ask that in such cases you only wear your -=[dMw]=- tag when playing on a TCS server. Bravo Company members have access to the private Bravo Company Secure Channel area of the forums, advance booking notice for our LAN parties and can apply for Charlie Company membership if they meet the appropriate criteria.

Dead Men Walking - Charlie Company

Charlie Company members are committed to the continuing success of both the dMw community and its TCS style of play. Charlie Company members have demonstrated a mature and positive approach to the community and as such are valued by their quality as teamplayers and community members rather than by measuring their personal stats from the game servers. We expect a mature and exemplary standard of behaviour from Charlie Company members at all times and in all places. Members of Charlie Company are usually active contributors of quality content to the forums, regulars on our gaming servers and champions of the TCS style of play. Charlie Company members are also eligible to represent dMw in competitive matchplay, however the wish to compete in league, cup or other matches is not a requirement for Charlie Company membership. Charlie Company members have access to the Charlie Company Secure Channel area of the forums and the dMw private training, tactics and matchplay areas of the forums.

Dead Men Walking - Delta Company

Delta Company members are those who have demonstrated a level of skill or tactical awareness along with a commitment to the highest standards of team match-play. This earns them the right to compete for a place in advanced competition squads designed to be the best that dMw can field.


Membership Criteria:

Alpha Company
Anyone can apply for an account on the forum and by doing so have access to the server passwords. Registration in the forums automatically makes you a member of the community and the dMw Alpha Company.

Bravo Company
Membership cannot be applied for any earlier than 3 months after playing on the server for the first time. The player must have consistently demonstrated good teamwork, knowledge of the TCS rules and an active presence on the forums. Those interested in applying for Bravo Company membership should approach a member of Charlie Company to see if they are willing to propose them for membership. The prospective member should also find two other Charlie Company members to Second the application.  The Proposer will then send the application to the dMw Admins (TL or OB) using the template provided to Charlie Company members.   Such applications are then considered by the Dead Men Walking Admins and decisions are usually given within 7 days. As successful applicants are entitled to wear the -=[dMw]=- tag on non-dMw servers then members are reminded that the Admins will consider all knowledge of the player including their attitude and conduct on non-dMw servers and forums.

Charlie Company
Membership can be applied for once Bravo Company membership has been held for at least 3 months.  Charlie Company members hold the success of the community in the highest regard and actively promote our style of play wherever and whenever possible. Charlie Company members are expected to make an ongoing and positive contribution to the community. Those interested in applying for Charlie Company membership should approach a member of Charlie Company to see if they are willing to propose them for membership. The prospective member should also find two other Charlie Company members to Second the application.  The Proposer will then send the application to the dMw Admins (TL or OB) using the template provided to Charlie Company members.  Such applications are then considered by the Dead Men Walking Admins and decisions are usually given within 7 days.

Delta Company
Membership at this level is by invitation only and requires a greater degree of commitment to matchplay excellence.

[TeaLeaf]

Amended version of the guidance notes for Charlie Company members who are approached by other members to be proposed or seconded for Bravo or Charlie Company membership.
Edited to include reference to the template we will provide to all Charlie Company members to propose a new member.
Edited to remove the need for unisex disclaimers!

TL.

Originally posted by BlueBall+Jan 2 2005, 06:01 PM-->

QUOTE(BlueBall @ Jan 2 2005, 06:01 PM)

Charlie Company Guidelines for Proposing or Seconding Community Applications

Under the new membership rules Charlie Company members may be approached to to either Propose or Second applications from players to be members of either Bravo or Charlie Company. In order to help you with your responsible approach to this procedure we have produced this document. Please take the time to read it.

Firstly (just to save you finding the relevant post in the forums) a quick refresh of what has been stated as being the criteria for membership:

Dead Men Walking - Bravo Company

Alpha Company members who have demonstrated a mature and positive approach to the community (on both the game servers and in the forums) and have been trying to increase their involvement with both the community and TCS style of play can apply for Bravo Company membership. If accepted, Bravo Company membership entitles you to use the -=[dMw]=- tag in your player name, wherever you chose to play. This in turn helps us promote the TCS style of play and further our cause! Dead Men Walking accepts that Bravo Company members are allowed to be members of other clans as well, but we ask that in such cases you only wear your -=[dMw]=- tag when playing on a TCS server. Bravo Company members have access to the private Bravo Company Secure Channel area of the forums, advance booking notice for our LAN parties and can apply for Charlie Company membership if they meet the appropriate criteria.

Dead Men Walking - Charlie Company

Charlie Company members are committed to the continuing success of both the dMw community and its TCS style of play. Charlie Company members have demonstrated a mature and positive approach to the community and as such are valued by their quality as teamplayers and community members rather than by measuring their personal stats from the game servers. We expect a mature and exemplary standard of behaviour from Charlie Company members at all times and in all places. Members of Charlie Company are usually active contributors of quality content to the forums, regulars on our gaming servers and champions of the TCS style of play. Charlie Company members are also eligible to represent dMw in competitive matchplay, however the wish to compete in league, cup or other matches is not a requirement for Charlie Company membership. Charlie Company members have access to the Charlie Company Secure Channel area of the forums and the dMw private training, tactics and matchplay areas of the forums.

You will notice that in both cases we seek players who have a “mature and positive” approach to the community.  When you consider whether or nto to support an application this should be your first and main point of consideration. Bravo and Charlie members are entitled to wear -=[dMw]=- wings and you should bear in mind that their actions WILL reflect on the community as a whole. If you have any doubts about a person’s standard of behaviour either on our own or other servers and forums then that person is not ready to be a member of our community and should not be Proposed or Seconded.

Additionally, Bravo Company members may well be members of other clans so getting people to join Bravo should not be looked on as a recruiting opportunity; players who see the advantage of TCS will want to become Charlie members through a natural progression and may, in some cases, possibly leave their clan to become a Charlie Company Member. However, this should not be viewed as the aim of the exercise.

Neither Bravo nor Charlie Companies offer training (as such) in how to be a good Bravo or Charlie. Therefore, do not Propose or Second someone that you think has the potential to be a good Bravo or Charlie. They should already being doing ALL the things that is expected of a member and that is the reason that they will be Proposed for membership! Only Propose or Second people who are already acting the right manner.

We join together on the TCS servers to spend quality time with people we like being around. Our time is valuable and none of us would want to spend it with anything other than friends. With that in mind, when considering somebody for membership, remember to ask yourself:

• Would I want to spend a Friday evening on Meathook with this person in my team?



• Are they a great shot but just out for a good score or will they back me up to help achieve the objective?



• Would they try to help me if I had a problem?



• Will they contribute to the TCS Community?

Finally, if you are approached by somebody asking for a nomination then for the benefit of the community you must be honest.

• If you do not know them well enough then say so and politely decline.



• If you think they are not quite ready then you might wish to say that you haven’t seen enough of them on either the servers or the forum to be confident in Proposing or Seconding them.



• If they really aren't ready then you are left in a difficult position. We would suggest asking them if they felt they were ready and how they feel they can contribute to the community. People are frequently surprisingly honest when asked a direct question. If they feel they are ready, but you feel they are not and are not feel comfortable dealing with the situation then please get in touch with one of the Admins and we will deal with it on your behalf.



• The most important thing is to leave the person with his dignity if you feel that you have to decline.
  
  
  

Let’s move on to the positive side of things. If you definitely think that the person is ready then you, as the Proposer, need to ensure that they have found two other Charlie Company members who also consider them suitable for membership. You should speak to these people to ensure that they have the right understanding of what is involved and you are happy that they are acting as Seconders for the right reasons. As Proposer you should then complete the Nomination Form for membership (a template is provided at the bottom of this post) and send it by PM to the Admins (TL or OB).  The Admins will then deal with the Nomination and reply to the Proposed member usually within 7 days.

The Admins

TL.
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